Debate on Jews in Red Revolution

Debate on Jews in Red Revolution

Usenet, June 19, 1998

Doc Tavish debates Jeffrey G. Brown with Supporting Internet Links

Doc Tavish Says:

EVIDENCE #1

http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=288129033

Subject: The Russian Revolution: Still inspiring after 80 years (Reprinted from the November 8, 1997 issue of the People’s Weekly World. May be reprinted or reposted with PWW credit. For subscription information see below)

“The Bolshevik Party (later the Communist Party) was the party of the industrial workers in Russia…. After the revolution, all legal restrictions were abolished, and the first Soviet President was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov.”

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EVIDENCE #2

[Communist Party organ declares first President of Soviet Union was a Jew! The first Chairman appointed to the Soviet State was a Jew, a Jew with an alias of Trotsky. Tavish]

http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm

Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified Jews….

The March Revolution of 1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed) Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central Committee.

As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November revolution……

[How many of you think that Jew Trotsky’s revolution was bloodless and was a debate of ideas? Notice the first Chairman of the Soviet was a Jew named Trotsky. Trotsky was also the first General and commander of the Red “Bolshevik” Army! Tavish]

http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/

states:

“Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.” Let’s see ol’ Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the Architect of the Red Army too!

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EVIDENCE #3

http://www.aish.org/dt-liber.htm

Society: Where Judaism and Liberalism Part

by Rabbi Nachum Braverman Aish HaTorah Los Angeles

It’s often considered axiomatic that Jews are politically liberal. This impression has some basis in fact. In 1991, the National Jewish Community Relations Council (NJCRC) identified the public agenda of the Jewish community as activism on behalf of Israel, and Soviet and Ethiopian Jewry, as well as “social and economic justice.” …

[ … ]

Though many Jews are liberal this no more makes liberalism the Jewish agenda than the prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks made Bolshevism the Jewish agenda.

[Notice the Rabbi used the word “prominenence.” Tavish]

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EVIDENCE #4

http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm

[…]

The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters…..

A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel their energy into creating a home land of their own.

Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.

[Notice the “Russian Revolution… will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews…” Tavish]

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MORE EVIDENCE:

Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania, Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the Russian Bolshevik party.

In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article on “Communism” by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp 824-827).

“Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov — played a conspicuous part in the revolution of November, 1917, which enabled the Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus” (Univ. Jew. Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however, are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. “The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common enemies” (Univ. Jewish Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).

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I certify that as of this date (June 19, 1998) all of the links above are active and that anyone checking them will find the material I used.

CASE CLOSED

>> […deletia…] > >> That’s what is called winning an argument by assertion. > >Liar should know, since he’s made liberal use of the tactic ever since he >arrived on Usenet.

I’ve made no assertion- I posted factual evidence- care to denigrate me and call me a liar too? Jeffrey, do you wish to deny in front of all that my evidence is but mere fabrications or that I lie?

A review of what was said:

>> The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist >> leadership seems pretty well established to me.

Jeffrey Georg Brown said: >The overwhelmingly Jewish presence in the upper ranks of the Bolshevist >leadership has been ‘seriously called into question’ — so, by Liar’s own >standards, nothing at all has been proved.

My sources said of the Jewish presence: “..the first Soviet President was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov.” , “Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky… the son of Russified Jews….” , “As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet… and devoted all his energies to marshaling support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks” , “Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924.” , “…prominence of Jews among Bolsheviks…” , “Russian Revolution… will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews…” , and “Among the Jews who remained in Russia, … were the founders of the Russian Bolshevik party.”

Doc Tavish

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