Tim Lundeen and Pft destroys the official COVID antibody theory and testing scams

Tim Lundeen says:

One of the major issues (mentioned peripherally in this paper) is that you only develop antibodies when your innate immune system can’t clear an infection. So 60% to 85% of people are able to clear coronavirus using their innate immune system, and will NEVER develop antibodies.

The innate immune system is your “generic”, it works against any infection. It’s the first line of defense. If it can’t totally clear an infection, then the adaptive immune system comes into play, makes antibodies, and then the antibodies clear the infection.

There are a number of places where large numbers of people have been exposed to coronavirus in a contained space: cruise ships, military ships, and homeless centers. In all of these places, 60 to 85% of the people massively exposed showed NO coronavirus RNA, e.g. their innate immune system cleared the coronavirus, they were immune to it. So they did not, and never will, develop antibodies.


Pft says:

One thing people don’t understand. Not everyone needs or produces antibodies when infected. Antibodies are produced by the adaptive immune system, which is basically your army of last resort against pathogens and which takes 1-2 weeks to mobilize. The primary immune defense is the innate system made up of many cells and molecules that inhibit viral replication and kill them. They also coordinate with the adaptive immune system sending signals to mobilize and providing information on the location and nature of the pathogen.

If the innate system clears the infection quickly, danger signals are no longer issued and the adaptive immune system is deactivated and stands down , so no antibodies or very few (below detection limits) are produced. So while antibody rates may be in the order of 20-40% of the herd. , an unknown number of the herd are also immune by nature of having a more effective innate immune system.

Don’t let the bug masters fool you

The adaptive immune system has 2 components. Humoral and cellular responses. The former produces antibodies produced by B cells. The latter uses T cells. Helper T cells actually are important to activate the B cells to produce antibodies and cytotoxic T cells. Tregs prevent an excessive immune response, and activated cytoxic T cells are killing machines. Cellular immunity is important to actually kill infected cells. Antibodies don’t kill but only mark an infected call for destruction or block it from infecting an uninfected cell.

Although both are important when the innate immune system needs their help, many believe cellular immunity is the more important and that it also has memory thats not as well understood.

At the dawn of vaccination our understanding of the immune system was very primitive. Even today much is not understood, especially infants immune system and its development. Immunologists have recently discovered that the innate immune system has some sort of memory and is trained when clearing a new infection. Indeed they have found a new type of immune cell (ILC’s) that is like a T-cell but has innate system receptors built in and they don’t have to undergo the cellular immune system 1-2 week process of developing unique receptors for its cytotoxic T cells and can respond immediately.

A new flu vaccine is being developed which boost the cellular response more than other adjuvants and are not just producing antibodies. This is experimental and one of the covid vaccines will use this adjuvant on us guinea pigs

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