The big question: should the UK bring back National Service?
19 March 2012 16:20 | By Zoe and Steve Vaughan
http://news.uk.msn.com/the-big-question/the-big-question-should-the-uk-bring-back-national-service
National Service ended in the UK in 1960 but recently there have been calls to reinstate a compulsory military service programme.
These calls are largely a response to the growing unemployment problem, particularly the increase of disaffected, jobless young people who seem to view benefit entitlement as an unalienable right.
Those in favour say it will give young people as sense of purpose, responsibility and train them in a skill. Make them fit for work.
However, others argue that at best it will be a short-term solution that may keep people occupied for a year, maybe two, but will not in the longer term provide jobs – or even better manners. Those who take part will simply return to the lives they left behind.
Many countries still run compulsory military service programmes. More obviously, Iran, Russia and China. Perhaps less expected, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Austria.
So the big question: should the UK bring back National Service?
Zoe Vaughan
No: National Service will not solve the unemployment problem
Not all unemployed people are feckless. Not all unemployed people sit around drinking Special Brew and working out how to play the system as they watch football on their giant plasma screen televisions while stubbing out cigarettes on their pit bulls.
In fact of the 2.7m unemployed these are the minority. However, it is these people most of us want to see robbed of the benefits we pay for and be made to make a worthwhile contribution to society.
Conscription, National Service, call it what you will, is not going to solve that problem. It’s not going to solve the unemployment problem either.
Being forced to sign up is not going to stop the feckless and workshy being… feckless and workshy. Those who have become proficient in dodging work will likely be equally proficient in dodging conscription. The taxpayer will spend millions having to enforce service.
Military training also does not necessarily equip people for work although it might teach them some skills and better manners at least while they are in the army, navy or RAF. Most people leaving the forces retrain on the way out to make them fit for civilian life.
For those who do grasp the opportunity and make a decent fist of it, it’s not going to create jobs for them once their time is done. The economy governs that.
And it could lead to job losses in the military. A further increase in the cuts of less-skilled roles across the forces would by likely if the MoD was assured a steady supply of national service recruits.
Yes we have several generations of workshy, often criminal, unpleasant young men and women who think it is their right to live off benefits but giving them a taste of life in the military isn’t going to make them go away.
Steve Vaughan
Yes: the country will get something for the money it dishes out to the unemployed
Forget your work programmes and your unpaid work – stacking shelves at Asda for nothing.If you’ve been out of work for months and are raking in more money in benefits than you would in a job, then join the army. Good prospects, learn a skill and do something with your life. Your country needs you.
Okay, a slight over-simplification of the topic but the idea of giving those young people who can’t find a job new opportunities and new challenges has some merit and should not be dismissed necessarily out of hand.
It has a whole host of benefits. Such a scheme would promote discipline, respect of themselves and others, basic life skills, economic management and maybe even a sense of community and something to be proud of. It could even create a less selfish generation who actually took some responsibility for their actions.
If the unemployed were forced to join the forces, the country would at least be getting something for the money it dishes out to the unemployed.
This isn’t necessarily about sending our feckless youth out to Afghanistan to become cannon fodder. The armed forces are active around the world, helping communities tackling natural disasters – floods, famine, aid distribution – and then at home, on non-urgent but equally valuable tasks in the local community.
Aside from the military aspect, this is not too far away from what the Government is considering with its citizen service scheme which has called for all children after they have completed their GCSEs to sign up to give something back to their neighbourhood so why not go a little bit further and really make a difference?
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How many times did I have to try to warn you people this was coming? I have told you for years now and not many listened. How many times have I been right? So why did you not listen? I have seen the writing on the wall and the usual manipulations put forth to bring all this forward with ease. Once again we have the ordo-ab-chao situation to aid the bringing in of the New World Order mindset. I told you they had been training up your children for battle in the Clash of the Civilizations. I told you this was done through desensitization through horror gore and violent movies along with XBOX/PC military simulations. These guys will make far better killers than any of their predecessors.
Welcome to New World Order, the ignorant of you deserve it for putting people like myself down for trying to warn you it was coming. One of the reasons for the economic depression was to bring about a need for people to sign up for the military as the only paying job around. An old trick often pulled in the United States by recruiters going around the ghetto areas. Try watching the predictive programming movie called ‘Starship Troopers’ to see what I am saying of the mindset for war. Only the other day I noticed in the City Center so many businesses had collapsed and were empty. Then what did I see with it’s all new flash sign and big lit up building on the high street? A brand new Army recruitment building that’s what. I told you the other day about this and my first impressions on seeing the demonic place.
What a wicked World we are now about to live or shall I say exist within. Whats more sickening is that two-thirds of the voters agree to a Conscription according to these polls being put out in media. Remember the Tavistock Institute for Human Relations controls all these polls to check on how well and if their social engineering mind-reframing techniques are working. If they find they are not getting the results they want then they will simply create another event to bring the mindset to their favor quicker. Do not poll and do not take their polls too seriously because many of these are rigged way in their favor to aid the scam.
Do not let your Children go off to fight for fascism and slavery all for the Jesuit Order, Sabbatean Frankist Hofjuden and their City of London controlled New World Order. Do not let them tell you to fight for a Country when that Country has not existed since the 1933 bankruptcy and is now a mere corporate vessel under Admiralty and Uniform Commercial Code and even sold down the river to the corporation known as E.U through High Treason by Dame of Malta, Elizabeth Mary II. Make sure they know they are a corporation enslaved via the Birth Certificate into the Cestui Que Vie Act 1666 held at New Jerusalem by Evelyn De Rothschild under Emperor Juan Carlos of Spain a Knight of Malta. Why would anyone want to fight for a corporate fascist vessel with no hope or prospects in the planned post industrial zero growth society ruled as soon enough under the post-democratic thuggery soon to be under constant Martial Law and overt dictatorship. A land where rioting for food will be punishable by death as evidenced in the Lisbon Treaty.
Its time to expose to The Worshipful Company of Mercers who are the bankers behind this system that have been veiled for far too long. Its time to put the British Constitutional Group in charge of our Nation of land and take it back as a Republic under God. All those who have committed High Treason on our land will be put through an independent Lawful Court trial before execution. You see we will not accept the changes to the High Treason penalties alter in 1998 by Dame of Malta Elizabeth Mary II and Knight of Malta Tony Blair. Those who commit High Treasure cannot have their law changing accepted just so they cannot be put to death for their vile crimes on England. We are a Sovereign Nation and those who have attacked our homeland will be bought to justice. Its time for a calling for mass Lawful Rebellion and a following only of the Magna Carta, British Constitution and Common Law. All current Inns of Court run whorehouse Administration Courtrooms are deemed unfit for purpose and treasonous. We will no longer stand for this vile imperialist system. If the mass close down their bank accounts then the system folds immediately within hours. Just a hint.. We have the power! These merchants only exist because we the people let them and they use our resources. Its time to take back our inherited rights as man granted by God. Its time to see why they tried to turn the populous atheist in order to destroy our freedoms granted by the Reformation Bibles.
-= The Unhived Mind
We have a whole generation that locks them self away in their bedrooms fighting/killing ‘terrorists’ on their games consoles every day.
You’re right they have bred/groomed a generation to go and fight ‘their’ wars.
And as a whistle blower once said the purpose for the xbox360 was for mind control but then again isn’t all forms of media whether direct or indirect.
Maranatha.
They use the Xbox to hook people but once there hooked it breaks down. So they have to go back to older systems that didn’t break down in the 90′s. I don’t understand there plan at all.
You have youth today with super computers in their homes with multiples of fans, water/oil cooling systems with big processing power. So you do not think that these are supercomputers? Look at the specifications compared to just a few years back. The computers today were the supercomputers of not that long ago. Some of these computers can produce so much detailing in graphics and speed that simulators become highly realistic like a game called Battlefield 3. I’m going to embed a video at the end of this rant which will show to how your children are being trained by very sophisticated software.
The reason Microsoft and Apple are given the majority of the mass populace computer arena is because they work hand in glove with the National Security Agency and Department of Defense. They are both controlled by The Worshipful Company of Information Technologists at New Jerusalem. All the more reason to move to Linux and Amiga systems. I do not see people giving up their high-end gaming for the old 8-16 bit gaming apart from a retro-gaming stance. People generally do not buy or own the old hardware except hard-core retro fans. Most who like retro gaming simply use emulators on fast PC machines simulating the old machines perfectly in most cases including old arcade systems. You are correct about the reliability problems of todays technology and this is all part of the planned obsolescence agenda. My friend the agenda is very easy to understand and even easier to see when one no longer lives blind in the land of the one-eyed Beast.
-= The Unhived Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjm9tnx-CKQ
Regardless of whether these youngsters have got top-end PCs, XBox’s or PS3′s, unless their parent(s) are taking the time to educate their kids properly and teach them manners and morals etc., instead of telling them to go and play in their bedrooms because the parent(s) have had a busy day and need some ME ME ME time; it won’t take the youngsters long to become desensitized to the act of killing, whether it be virtual or in real life; considering they are bombarded with violence on the gogglebox and computer games on a daily basis! They see things as being quite glamorous, until they are immersed within a real theatre of war, but it’s fairly much too late then! Henry Kissinger and countless others have said in the past that troops are basically just cannon fodder tools to be used up for foreign policy! Governments, Bankers, Maltese Knights, The Holy See, The Black Pope, Juan Fucking Carlos, The Mercers, Information Technologists, or any of the Worshipful Livery Companies, couldn’t give a toss about the general public, or their kids…All they’re interested in is more POWER and more CONTROL, and as long as the end justifies the means, they would think nothing of getting everybody slaughtered…It’s just business to those avaricious scum!