Churches and chapels in Wales ‘may unite’

Congregations are falling and resources are tight for many churches and chapels

13 October 2012 Last updated at 11:11

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19929715

Churches and chapels in Wales are being asked to discuss radical proposals which could result in closer unity.

Five denominations – including the Church in Wales, Presbyterians and Methodists – could ultimately share bishops, ministers and buildings.

The proposed Church Uniting in Wales would also include Presbyterians and some Baptists.

A conference in Aberystwyth will discuss the plans in response to declining funds and congregations.

The event on Saturday, called The Gathering, brings together five denominations known as the five Covenanted Churches in Wales.

The group – which together have 2,500 churches – was set up in the 1970s with the aim of working more closely together.

But economic concerns are prompting discussions of even closer unity to share resources and governance at a time when many congregations are dwindling and money is tight.

The proposal is also aimed at giving the churches a stronger shared voice in the political arena.

If given the go-ahead, a new breed of bishops would be created and be interchangeable between all denominations in the united group.

Ordained ministers would also be free to serve in all churches and chapels in the Church Uniting in Wales.

Under the plans to share resources and buildings, however, no church or chapel would be forced to close or merge and there would be no obligation to take part in the sharing of clergy.

Also, within the group, the individual denominations would remain.

A spokeswoman for the Presbyterian Church of Wales said the plans were “quite new and quite radical”.

“All the denominations are realising we are getting smaller numbers but we do have strengths and resources remaining so it’s a case of working out how best to use the resources,” she said.

“For example, in some towns you might have two churches and a chapel. They might have a vicar but no-one in the chapel.

“If the churches united, the vicar could also serve the chapel.”

She added that it was “important” for the churches to be seen to be working together and that united they would have a “stronger voice”.

‘A way forward’

The Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, said Saturday’s conference would see the “largest ecumenical gathering in Wales for many years”.

“Our lack of unity does not help our message of reconciliation,” he said.

“I hope that we can find a way forward together as churches in Wales.”

The Rev Gethin Abraham-Williams, chair of the Commission of Covenanted Churches, added that he hoped the conference would lead to the creation of a new “ecclesial community committed to common mission in the world’.”

A set of reports outlining the plans for more unity will be launched at The Gathering on Saturday.

Official representatives from each of the five Covenanted Churches will then take them back to their local churches and will respond to the recommendations.

In July, a report said that the Church in Wales needed to reform and modernise to secure its future and one of the recommendations was for it to work more closely with other denominations.

The study by three leading Anglicans highlighted “very low morale” in some parishes and said the situation was one of “dire seriousness”.

It looked at how the church could adapt to cope with the decline in clergy, falling congregations, a surplus number of churches and a large repair bill for its buildings.


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4 Responses to Jesuit Ecumenism infiltration unites Chapels and Churches in Wales

  1. Please remember that it is the Jesuits and their Vatican which control the ecumenism movement and World Council of Churches. They wish for the coming together of all religions prior to the hoax of an alien contact (Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst using operation greenstar) in order to fool the World that all religions were split offs of a superior religion. This superior religion is the ‘Luciferian Doctrine’ as highlighted by former Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, Albert Pike in his book ‘Morals & Dogma‘. Pike was handled and mastered by powerful Jesuit soldier, Pierre-Jean de Smet SJ.

    Georgetown ‘military fortress’ University was training eight-hundred Jesuit soldiers per year to go out and infiltrate enemy churches/religions. The Council of Trent never died and continues to this day aided by the Second Vatican Council renewing. The Jesuits are not Catholic they are Templars from the Kingdom of Aragon who follow Witchcraft (Los Alumbrados) aka Templarism now veiled within Freemasonry. The Catholic Church suppression of the Jesuits in 1773 caused the takeover and attack on the Catholic Church in 1814. By 1822 the Jesuits had created their Roman Empire with the Treaty of Verona and Congress of Vienna in 1815. Their goal is a one World government and a one World religion which will be headed in the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, East Jerusalem which the Papacy has owned. They have owned East Jerusalem since Jesuit trained Shimon Peres signed it over in 1993 in Washington D.C. with the Cardinal Ratzinger backed Oslo Accord.

    All of Israel will be destroyed except East Jerusalem. The Temporal Power will control the World no longer from Vatican City/Rome but now from King Solomons Temple III in the Latin Kingdom itself commanded by the House of Bourbon and its King of Jerusalem aka the Protector of the Holy Sites of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem who is also a member of both the crusading, Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem along with the Order of Malta both serving the Papacy. The final Osiris Pope will transmute from being the Sun door hinged by his Cardinals into Horus the Sun himself. He shall wear new garments and have a new title leading the World with the Luciferian Doctrine under the Jesuit General and powerful families such as the Orsini made up of Medici scions.

    The Luciferian Doctrine is the combination of a scientific dictatorship mixed with paganism as we see today with the conditioning of the mind about climate change mixed with technology such as geo-engineering and genetic-modification. The Mother Earth worship is back with added scientific elements added. Where does this mostly pseudo-science stem from? Gresham College who were behind the Royal Society? Who were behind Gresham College? Templarism through Freemasonry allowing Luciferians to move away from the truths of the Bible so man could falsely dominate man rather than God. The big Templar push for this Gresham College was of course The Worshipful Company of Mercers a Masonic Lodge itself which controls the Livery of the City of London (New Jerusalem) made up of the finest pirates in the World. The same Mercers who created the King James Bible using Enochian occultist, Sir John Dee. The same reason why this Masonic code filed Bible sits in every Masonic Lodge in the Western World. If you are a Christian I urge you to get yourself the true Bible the Geneva Bible 1560/99. Look at the logo for Gresham College and note the Knights Templar arrow on one shield and the Mercers logo on the other. The Mercers and Haberdashers command the education system.

    Who do you think controls the financial system and created the planned economic collapse ready for the implementation of their New International Economic Order? It is the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem, Opus Dei, The Sacred Military Constantinian Order of St George and the Order of Malta (greatest merchants on Earth). All this is done through the City of London Corporation through The Worshipful Company of Mercers along with Switzerland through such corporations as the Universal Postal Union in Bern which is only one street away from the Papal Nuncio at the Vatican Embassy.

    No one can or will attempt to attack the Temporal Power of this force. Right now the Shia Caliph does not submit to the Temporal Power of the Pope (Caesar) and therefore the subordinate Sunnis and West will be used to destroy the Caliph or submit him.

    -= The Unhived Mind


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ZETt77tuQ

  2. truth19 says:

    Eric Phelps says only the KJB bible and the Geneva is bad. But I notice the KJB is a pretty mainstream bible from what I notice.

    • If Eric Jon Phelps is calling the Geneva Bible bad then he is a Temporal Coadjutor par excellence. The Geneva Bible is the only Bible that exposes Rome and the Vatican for what it truly is. The Geneva Bible is based on the Greek Textus Receptus and the older Hebrew Ben Chayyim texts no different to the King James Bible. The King James Bible is missing the attacks on Rome which should instantly alarm people. The King James Bible was mastered to part do away with the questioning of the Divine Right of Kings. But wait who created and granted the Kingships? It was the Pope of Rome. Who created the title of Sovereign with the Papal Bull Aeterni Regis in 1481? It was the Pope of Rome. The Pope of Rome is not Divine and has no rights to claim so, he is an Anti-Christ he is Osiris of Egypt continued. So why would anyone want the title of Kingship or Sovereign from this creature?

      You are not allowed to question the Papal rule. The King James Bible was also mastered to aid the future Aeon transition change where by Temporal Coadjutor false pied pipers would come along and attack Christianity by pointing out parts of the King James Bible going against itself. For instance finding a spot dealing with Astronomy when Christianity forbids Astronomy. An example of this was the attack by Freemason Jordan Maxwell (Russell Pine). I’ve highlighted the work of Freemason occultist, Sir John Dee. You must be aware of how they banned the Geneva Bible? If the Geneva Bible was so bad why did the real Puritans use it? Real Christians do not follow pagan festivals and Christmas, Easter events. Wake up people! There is always more to learning than one has already found, move to the next level as I have.

      Once you understand that all of Freemasonry is Templarism and Luciferian then you can see through what has and is happening today. Freemasonry even in its lowest three levels (degrees) is the perfection carbon-copy of the lowest degrees of Witchcraft. Who are the masters of Witchcraft? Its the Jesuit Order once known as the Los Alumbrados who were captured by the Catholic Church over witchcraft issues. Who command the Mystery Schools? The Jesuit Order, any high level Catholic Church member will tell you this. Many bloodlines are taught the Mysteries by the Jesuit Order. Remember the Jesuits trained King Juan Carlos and master the House of Bourbon. The Scottish Rite was the Jesuits trump card for taking over all of Freemasonry aka Templarism which they saw as their own since they were the only Templars allowed to survive the suppression of the Templars. The Pope allowed them passage into the Kingdom of Aragon a most important location in history. All of Freemasonry was usurped by the Jesuits using their Scottish Rite fronted through the House of Stuart. May I remind you that Prince William is a Stuart bloodline scioned with Medici and Sforza as well as Guelph (Windsor).

      So can you tell me what right any Mason has in mastering anything supposed to be Christian? Christianity was around a long time before Templarism and a long time before the Roman Empire became the Roman Catholic Church. Templarism is nothing more than Normanism and we all know their Catholic roots. Go ask the Duke of Northumberland of the House of Howard.

      -= The Unhived Mind.

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