Majority believe state should control how benefits are spent

Six in ten people believe benefits should not be spent on luxuries such as alcohol, cigarettes, junk food and holidays, a new poll shows.

By Rowena Mason, Political Correspondent
2:08PM BST 01 Oct 2012

The survey by Demos, a think-tank, found widespread support for the idea of state controls on how people spend their benefits.

David Cameron has already floated the idea of giving people more “benefits in kind”, rather than doling out cash.

There are no current plans for the Coalition to introduce vouchers for welfare recipients, but the Prime Minister said there needs to be a public debate on the issue earlier this year.

“Is it right that we continue to pay the vast majority of welfare benefits in cash, rather than in benefits in kind, like free school meals?” he said.

The new poll suggests this would not be unpopular with voters. In a survey of 2,000 people, seven in ten said those with a history of drug abuse or criminal records should be subject to spending controls.

Two-thirds thought state support should be denied to those who spend their benefits on gambling, while just over half said welfare payments should not be spent on unhealthy items like cigarettes and alcohol.

Around half wanted to stop benefits being spent on branded goods like Nike trainers and just over a third thought benefits should not be spent on holidays.

The results come after a NatCen barometer of British public opinion showed sympathy for people on welfare benefits has fallen to its lowest ever level.

However, controls on benefits would be tricky to introduce without accusations that it would be socially divisive. Previous attempts to support asylum seekers with a voucher system had to be dropped over fears it stigmatised people.

The survey will be discussed tonight at the Labour Party Conference.

Demos said its findings present “ethical dilemmas that could open a Pandora’s box of ever-increasing government intervention”.

Claudia Wood, the think-tank’s deputy director, said: “The findings from our survey are surprising, and for some, quite concerning.”

“The fact the public – and particularly younger people – are so ready to support such intervention suggests the government and media focus on benefit fraud, over-spending and ‘problem families’ as part of the welfare reform agenda is influencing our wider understanding of what benefits are for, who should be entitled to them and what we should do with them,” she said.

According to the survey, pensioners and young voters were the two most likely groups to push for spending controls on benefit payments.

“Many now view the welfare state as a form of charity rather than social insurance,” she said. “If we still saw the welfare state as an insurance scheme – a contract of protection in return for contribution – then people would be more supportive of autonomy for benefit claimants.”


  • What we are seeing here is another forced conditioning system being put in place to aid the destruction of cash as The Worshipful Company of Mercers push for a cashless society. At the same time this will aid the control of the populace just as the Government decides fit. This will stop you stockpiling certain items or buying outside of what the government dictates to you. Does this remind you of the International Monetary Fund and UN restrictions forced on nations like Vietnam by any chance? It should do!

    Why a cashless society? Apart from the full traceability of your financial movements they desire to remove cash to aid the fiat fractional banking ratios ideally to where there is not even ratio anymore. For a long time the ratio was always nine times what was deposited in a bank. This was raised to eighteen to one and since the economic crash started in 2008 in some regions this has been as high as seventy to one and forty to one. The more cash in the system the harder it is for the bankers to do this fiddle. This is why they have conditioned the sheep into accepting debit cards over cash use. But what happens when their is a power or computer failure?

    Today people do not know what real money is or understand monetary value such as physical Gold and Silver. All they know is almost worthless paper and even more worthless non-existent digital currency. Study the energy, time and cost that goes into mining and preparing Silver and Gold and ask yourself if your worthless currency comes anywhere near the safe haven these metals are. I bet most of you have never picked up an ounce of silver or gold? If you had it would have given you the incentive to dump currency and start saving real money. Remember with currency aka debt instruments you only have equitable title to the worthless tra$h (promissory note). What this means is you have a right-to-use and nothing more. The central bank such as the Bank of England with sterling has legal title meaning ownership of the note/coin and in truth anything bought with it.

    With gold and silver bullion you have both equitable title and legal title meaning you have ownership of something not owing to anyone and certainly not debt needing repayment. Why do you think the bankers wont let you buy anything with precious metals? You have to convert the bullion back into debt instruments first to trade. You are not allowed to own anything in the Marxist state already created by bankers in 1933. Right now you live in an illusion you own something when you do not. The conditioning is slowly taking place to alter that mindset into accepting you own nothing. For instance the start of cloud gaming and this internet cloud system. Hows about the song ‘Imagine’ by John Lennon and pushed by the Tavistock Institute. Listen to the words carefully.

    What we are seeing here is Tavistock mind-bending attempting to sway you with make believe figures of supposed acceptance by the populace. They hope you will easily fall for their constant statistical brainwashing illusions. Please sit down with common sense and ask yourself how bad is the youth unemployment in the UK today? Its dire and will soon enough match Spain and other Eurozones. So can you explain to me why the youth would be in support of losing cash and opinions to buy what they want with cash from benefits? I can assure you that the youth will not be backing this DEMOS plan in the slightest. It will not be through the youth using their heads but simply through their consumerism mindsets in this planned obsolescence agenda. What you have to understand is that Tavistock Institute controls all the polling systems and all the data gathered goes back to this vile organization originated from Wellington House. They study these polls in order to make sure their social engineering is working. If a desired outcome is not being reached in the populace mindsets these polls online that are filled out will show their programming did not work. This allows Tavistock to think of a new method of brainwashing claptrap to bend your mind with next. I strongly suggest you study up on the term ‘engineering consent’ whilst reading the work called ‘Propaganda’ (1923) and ‘Crystallizing Public Opinion’ (1928) both by Edward Bernays.

    What we also see in the article above is the trickery of using the demonized products of cigarettes, alcohol and junk food whilst they even lump in holidays too. They hope the first three will easily access prior brainwashing in the minds and quickly sway people. But think about it for one minute, how can they enforce all of these? It means totally monitoring all purchases which will be through some kind of debit card system like the U.S EBT card system and biometric systems taking place in Africa and soon the World. One of their excuses for this system is supposed benefit fraud. So if you have an illness and have to resort to using your benefit currency to pay for your herbalist because your NHS is dire and pushes poisonous treatments then you will not be allowed under this new system. You will also be forced eventually to certain supermarkets such as War*Wart where all you can find is genetically-modified poisonous tumor causing foods and trash which hurt your health further. Can you see the problems with this system now?

    Please remember if you have a job not to hate on those who do not because at some point shortly you too will not have a job. The World is about to enter a full blown economic collapse which started in 2008. No one has job security in the slightest today and therefore should be careful what they call for or accept. When there is no jobs then there is large unemployment and to demonize those out of work through no fault of their own is immoral. You should be demonizing the banking and state system not the people being forced into this slave New World Order and One-World Government Orwellian system. You soon will feel the wrath of the Work Programme slavery which is actually aiding the unemployment as broke businesses rush to use unpaid workfare slaves. All whilst these same broke businesses try their hardest to fire paid workers in order to do so. The Big Society of David Cameron is a sickness leading to Marxist slavery in a global governance like never before seen.

    Wake Up!

    -= The Unhived Mind


  • Social Security And Welfare Payments Go Biometric

    By Neal Ungerleider |
    September 26, 2012

    In order to receive government aid, South Africans now have to get biometric finger and voice scans. It’s high-tech, cuts down on fraud, saves the government money… and is coming to the United States sooner than you’d think.

    In South Africa, MasterCard has unveiled one of the world’s first debit card-based payment systems for welfare benefits and social security. The new project, released for the South African Social Security Agency (SASSA), will disburse government pension, disability, and public assistance payments onto a biometric debit card. Unlike normal debit cards, the South African cards require users to have their fingerprints and voices digitally analyzed by computers. In effect, they’re the next generation of the EBT cards commonly used for food stamps in the United States.

    The South African government hopes the new cards will cut down on fraud, and MasterCard hopes the program will introduce card services to millions of poor people with no bank accounts. But the question is how the new cards will play out in real life.

    Suitcase-size enrollment and disbursement centers have been deployed by MasterCard’s local partners, Grindrod Bank and Net1, to SASSA offices throughout South Africa. In order to have funds disbursed onto their card, aid recipients have to verify their fingerprints and voices with a biometric reader. Watch the video below to find out more.

    MasterCard is involved in a similar partnership with the United Nations World Food Program and has been exploring similar programs in Nigeria, the United Arab Emirates, and India. Because South Africa is building their electronic payments disbursement infrastructure from scratch, MasterCard and their local partners were able to quickly implement a biometrics-based system.

    The fees to put a similar system into effect in a populous American state such as California or New Jersey for public assistance disbursement would be astronomical. However, the Treasury Department has been heavily pushing social security and SSI payments via prepaid debit cards for the unbanked. Of course, these cards come with high ATM cash withdrawal fees.

    South Africa is currently in the process of transitioning over to the new card-based disbursement system. According to MasterCard’s Elise Mazzetti, more than 3 million South Africans have already received biometric cards since the program launched in March 2012. By March 2013, more than 10 million South Africans–nearly one-fifth of the country’s population–will be using the biometrics cards to receive their welfare and social security payments.

    The South African government has been especially eager to introduce biometric welfare cards. Endemic welfare fraud is commonplace in South Africa, with approximately one-quarter of all social security payments being fraudulently disbursed. Unlike the public assistance disbursement systems of the United States and Canada, South Africa requires recipients to visit banks and present only an identification booklet and a PIN–both of which are easily spoofed. Cases of small-time criminals collecting benefits for dead relatives or selling their PINs are commonplace.

    “The biometric information positively identifies the beneficiaries of state welfare grants and provides greater convenience, safety, and security for recipients,” says Net1’s Serge Belamant. “Furthermore, it reduces the impact of fraud on government as the UEPS Biometrics solution will significantly reduce unlawful collection of grants, making sure that the funds made available by the South African government to assist those in need, are received by the people who need them the most.”

    MasterCard literature indicates that biometric debit cards will save the South African government money. Between $3.25 and $4.38 was lost by SASSA on each grant to pay beneficiaries; under the new biometric scheme the cost to SASSA will be capped at $2.07.

    While the new biometric cards will sharply reduce fraud and save the South African government money, they’re likely to hit welfare and social security recipients in the wallet. South African aid recipients will be charged an undisclosed fee for cash withdrawals at ATMs and points-of-purchases in several major South African retail chains including Pick n Pay, Shoprite Checkers, and Spar. MasterCard refused to comment to Fast Company on the fee schedule for the biometric cards, instead emphasizing that they could be used at stores just as ordinary debit cards are. For South Africans depending on cash to purchase groceries, pay for rent, and for other goods and services, this can quickly become an expensive proposition or lead to the withdrawal of large sums of money–which comes with its own set of issues.

    In the United States, MasterCard and Comerica Bank have the tender for the Treasury Department’s non-biometric DirectExpress Social Security debit cards. By March 2013, Federal regulations will make electronic payments mandatory for all Social Security and VA recipients; federal benefit recipients will be required to sign up for DirectExpress if they do not have a bank or credit union account.

  • Florida bill would prohibit welfare cards as payment at strip clubs

    By Dara Kam

    TALLAHASSEE — Floridians will likely still be able to buy cupcakes, soda and potato chips with food stamps but won’t be able to use welfare debit cards at liquor stores or strip clubs under a measure reluctantly approved by a House committee on Monday.
    The bill, as passed by the House Health and Human Services Access Committee by an 8-4 vote, would ban food stamp recipients from buying junk food. But Republican lawmakers on the panel made it clear they would not support the measure in the future unless the junk food restrictions were trimmed off the measure.

    Rep. Dana Young, who led the charge against the food stamp restrictions, said she is “all about good nutrition” but that “I don’t want people to tell me what to eat.

    “I just don’t think it’s right for us, as legislators and as a government, to tell anyone what they can eat, even if they happen to be poor, even if they happen to be on food stamps,” Young, R-Tampa, said.

    Senate Children, Families and Elder Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ronda Storms is pushing the ban on junk food because she says the federally-funded subsidy should not be spent on luxuries.

    “We’re talking about feeding hungry people. And if we’re talking about feeding hungry people, then we provide them with staples. Because you know what? That’s all we can afford right now,” Storms, R-Valrico, said.

    But even if lawmakers did agree to cut off chips, candy and soda, the ban could not take effect unless the federal government agreed. Other states have failed to get a waiver from the U.S. Department of Agriculture for similar restrictions.

    The bill (HB 1401) would also bar poor Floridians receiving cash assistance from using state-issued debit cards at Internet cafes, strip clubs and liquor stores or out of state. Rep. Scott Plakon, who wants to shut down the so-called “corner casinos,” proposed the changes based on a television expose.

    The report, later substantiated by Department of Children and Families officials, found that of 1.3 million transactions totaling nearly $202 million over a two-year period, $63,000 — or .03 percent — was withdrawn at establishments with liquor licenses.

    The department’s last audit of the transactions found that about .06 percent were made at casinos or pari-mutuels. It is unknown how much money was withdrawn at Internet cafes, because they do not have to register with the state.

    Recipients of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, receive debit cards which they can use to get cash from ATMs or to make purchases. Unlike food stamps, there are no restrictions on what items can be bought with the cards.

    About 93,000 families — the poorest of the poor — currently receive TANF, averaging about $240 monthly. The average length of time on TANF is less than six months, according to DCF. The program is funded with a mix of state and federal money.

    “We join Sen. Storms and Rep. Plakon in believing that short-term assistance should be used for its intended purpose, which is to help families return to independence and self-sufficiency. We will work with the Legislature to implement any changes that move us toward the shared goal of helping families,” DCF spokesman Joe Follick said.

    Plakon said he included the food stamp language to align his bill with Storms’ measure and disagreed that it was too much government.

    “This is money being taken from one taxpayer and out of compassion being used for another taxpayer. I think it’s entirely reasonable, if the legislature were to agree, to put restrictions,” Plakon, R-Longwood said. But he and Storms said they were open to modifying the bill to keep it alive.

    “I’ll take whatever I can get,” Storms, R-Valrico, said.

    Conservative Republicans aren’t the only ones fighting the ban on junk food. The soda industry, the Florida retailers and the association representing convenience stores also oppose the ban.

    Food stamp recipients are now forbidden from buying alcohol or tobacco products. More than 3.3 million Floridians now receive food stamps, an average of about $140 per month, or about $8 per day.

    Storms said she’s been contacted by Jacksonville-based Kraft Foods, which fought the ban on Jello included in the measure, which the House committee amended Monday to ban all gelatin products.

    “I think it was good lobbying on the part of the big food people. I don’t buy any of that other stuff,” Storms said.

  • Brian Gerrish – “Common Purpose” And “Demos” Are At The Root Of The British Marxism Movement

  • RattlerRider

    In support of your above remarks concerning worthless paper debt notes as “money.” Which checks out 100% as I’ve done the work and checked what this man says below;

    The Informer’s Tax Series #9

    Security and money and money’s worth. The below explains how the two dovetail together. This came from
    the Federal Register and pertains to liens and levy. It is possible to show how the use of the federal reserve note, which is not a true “Note” as defined by the Uniform Commercial Code, can be the basis for the income tax. This is informational only and you must do further research to satisfy for yourself what I present here is a sound basis. I will insert in capital letters my interpretation. You may disagree but that is why I say to do further research to see what you come up with.

    “(d) Security. The term “security” means any bond, debenture, note, or certificate, THE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE FITS THE NOTE MENTIONED HERE, or other evidence of indebtedness WE ALL KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE IS A OBLIGATION OF INDEBTEDNESS OF THE UNITED STATES, issued by a corporation, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE IS ACORPORATION, or a government or political subdivision thereof, with interest coupons or in registered form, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES CARRY A REGISTRATION NUMBER, share of stock, voting trust certificate, or any certificate of interest or participation in, certificate of deposit or receipt for, temporary or interim certificate for, or warrant or right to subscribe to or purchase, any of the foregoing; negotiable instrument; or money.”

    When IRS files a lien it must have a “security interest” in your property as stated by the Federal Tax Lien Registration Act, which was incorporated into the Uniform Commercial Code of 1966. Federal
    reserve notes, being IOU’s (debt obligations of another) are only yours by possession. You have purchased these “notes” with your labor. Now don’t jump to conclusions yet, follow what I quote from the rest of the Register.

    “(f) Purchaser. The term “purchaser” means a person who, for adequate and full consideration in money or money’s worth (as defined in paragraph (f)(3) of this section), acquires an interest in property . . . ”

    “(f) (3) Adequate and full consideration in money or money’s worth. For purposes of paragraph (f) of this section, the term “adequate and full consideration in money or money’s worth” means a consideration in money or money’s worth having a true value of the interest in the property in the property acquired. See paragraph in section (a) (3) for the definition of the term “money or money’s worth.”

    From this is can be assured that the “security” (Federal Reserve Note) to NOT be money, but of money’s worth. So proceeding to section (a)(3) it states,

    “Money or money’s worth. For purposes of this section “money or money’s worth” includes money,, a security (as defined in paragraph (d) of this section), SEE ABOVE PEOPLE tangible or intangible property, services and other consideration reducible to a money value, NOTE HERE THE SECURITY, WHICH IS DEFINED AS A FEDERAL

    I now bring in the case I cited in my book, The New History of America, on pages 34 and 35. The supreme court said this in two sentences, “Silence gives consent, is the rule of business life. A tender of bills is as good as one of coin, unless the bills are objected to.”

    Based on the above, we have taken a draft, misnamed a check, from the company. Gone to the bank and accepted “securities” that are not money and paid for what ever we bought with these “securities.”
    Now the IRS is nothing more than a collection agent for the Federal Reserve private corporation to collect the debt obligations issued by them in registered form as they are trademarked notes. You cannot counterfeit federal reserve notes as they are not money, BUT what counterfeiters have done is encroached on the trademark that caries a registration number on every private note of the federal reserve. As the Congress stated in the first income tax, that it (the income tax) is to sop up the excess notes that exceed the debt the United States owes.

    So the question is, is the use of these “securities” that are reducible to money is what makes you a “taxpayer” under the income tax laws, so the coin (gold or silver) can be obtained by the Federal Reserve’s division (The IMF), so it can use the hard money by reducing the debt notes “securities” so it can deal in the international trade to lend more IOU’s to foreign countries? Isn’t it about time we started objecting to the Federal Reserve notes and then bringing suit to claim “coin” as stated in the
    Padleford case? You can receive the notes but you do not have to accept them. What if a great majority of so called “patriots” started to demand coin or U.S. Notes that are debt free from the fiscal agents (the federal reserve member banks) when they cashed their drafts? Just think of all the possibilities that would
    happen. For one the banks would not be able to keep up with the coin demand, and second that would destroy and show the fraud of the “note” for what it was. Congress is only collecting a portion of its debt obligations from you, which you only have possession. I think I will close now and let your minds wander into all the possibilities that could happen.

    Sincerely, The Informer

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